. >> but we're not -- >> a lot of people had no reason to love e 'fifty, the civil rights bills and, you couldn't ta -- you couldn't do it on route 40. let me bring this up. it seems like joe biden is a familiar fige 60 years ago. barack obama, of course, has an exotic name, an african name. he's not an unusual fellow. heeems lika person you wou hang out with, play go wit thesaren str onie leonets moomn, regular -- someone you would have met 100 years ago. are the democratic party, the new age that they scare people? i just don't see that myself. maybe i'm part of that reality. i don't see them as strange at all. >> chris, it goes back to the propaganda factor. it's not just that rush and fox and those guys say something, it's that we say the other thing. if we say that barack obama isn't a muslim, that must not true because we're the liberal media, we're the mainstream media, and nothing we can say -- we say can be trusted. >> i have called an anti-posture for years. just saying no to everything. thank you, guys. i thk you nailed it. it'ssychological. anyway, howard fineman and joe